Dirty Black Bag star Dominic Cooper breaks down McCoy’s shocking choices

Having experienced a slice of the old west in That dirty black bagstar Dominic Cooper can confirm the days were hell.

“I mean, you’re about to be killed every second of every day. It was dry, arid and unpleasant,” he explained. “You’re dirty, you stink, don’t wash [and] you are on horseback all the time.

And that’s right a aspect of the hostile terrain his character, Arthur McCoy, and the others face on the show. McCoy is the sheriff of Greenvale, a once boom town that has not only seen its gold mines run out, but is in the midst of a five-year drought. It’s the kind of place where traditional white-hatted, black-hatted Western characters can struggle to survive. The character’s morality is just one of the topics Rotten Tomatoes touched on with Cooper when he recently spoke to us about the show, some of the shock viewers experienced in the first two episodes, and his love for Howard Stark. .

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Erik Amaya for Rotten Tomatoes: Is there room for a traditional Western character in a white hat or a black hat in Greenvale?

Dominic Cooper: There’s definitely no good or bad in all of this – or one that I can recognize. I don’t know if I could find a good guy in this, quite frankly. I think they’re all pretty flawed characters in this environment. The more I was told about McCoy the more I disliked him, I found him utterly incapable of doing anything good for the people around him, himself or a town he should have taken care of. .

Since you mentioned that McCoy is so hateful, does the Jesse (Justin Korovkin) shoot cement how viewers will appreciate it?

Cooper: I’ve always been amazed that it happened so soon. It was a conversation I had constantly, once you see this man is capable of doing this, we know who we’re dealing with and there was a part of me that thought, “Is this should be revealed so soon?” But in fact, these are the first seeds of [learning] where this man is from, how violent his past is and how he is prepared to do this.

Moreover, he is unable to see the opportunity that presents itself. I think always, for me, I always said, “Why is he picking on Bill?” He has this money. He would get out of there. He wouldn’t waste his time with any of this. I figured it had to have something to do with his inability to come to terms with his past and who he is. He found security in this idea of ​​himself – this portrayal of a sheriff is real bullshit. It’s not true. He’s not ready to protect the city or go after the bad guys. He’s not ready to lose his job. He is ready to steal money and shoot a child in case he is discovered. I mean, he’s violent, but it was tough… that, in and of itself, means doing that act. This makes him incredibly hateful at first. Because he’s also a great character, Jesse. He’s an adorable adorable little boy. He’s just trying to do good.

But these are the people you deal with on our show, in this world. And it is later revealed why he is that man and why he does that.

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Also, taking into account the Preacher connection, was it weird killing someone named Jesse in a western setting?

Cooper: It was just weird having a “Jesse” in the script, because I was always like, “Oh, that’s me.” It was really wild. I continued, “Well, wait.” Your eyes immediately focus on this character, because it’s been five years since my name. Yeah. It was horrible. [Laughs]

Plus, he was such a great kid to work with. We shot this scene in so many different ways, and that’s why this project was so exciting to do. The decisions hadn’t really been made [completely]. We were doing it during COVID. Everything was quite random. It was totally, “Where are you going to shoot this scene? This way, run this way. We were all part of the mechanism and its process. And so when you suddenly play this, you’re like, ‘In the scenario I shoot him with his face turned towards me… There’s no way I can’t do that It makes him a really cold mother At least if Jesse turns away and you see a decision grip on our future or you are found out and you lose what we have then at least there is a human being who assesses the possibility we see people like this all the time in life who weigh this and take a bad decision and do something violent and wrong. But we were constantly faced with these conversations [on set]. and that made it challenging, but also exciting because you were literally having these conversations during the day.

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Were there similar discussions regarding Butler (Aiden Gillen)? It’s so sudden, but he also felt like he couldn’t last too long if Red Bill (Douglas Booth) was going to stay on the show.

Cooper: Exactly. At the moment [of filming], it was totally different. I don’t remember what was there originally, but the fact that he was sleeping outside and we suddenly found out he was the person, seeing with the reins of the horse, that was different.

This is often the case. You have to be in the situation and the environment and on set and talking the dialogue through. And then does that actually make sense? You know what? It doesn’t make sense to me. How will that make sense? How do we kill him? And you can only guess what an audience is thinking at that moment. Do you even care about Red Bill then? So you even care that there was this guy who hung him? Do you care that he stole McCoy’s horses?

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Cooper (continued): i know that always [someone in the] the audience says, “Why the hell did he go chase that guy when he could just run off with the money?” These are interesting conversations, and you should try to resolve them. And you have to try to figure out right away, what would make that the most compelling to the audience, the most believable, and still keep an audience engaged. If at any of those times, at any time, you don’t believe, then it all falls apart. Yeah. I blew his face off to save the guy I wanted to hang up on anyway.


Cooper: In the world we live in, that’s what I do. Again, McCoy’s flaw is that he wants to prove he looks strong in front of the city. But why? He has plenty of money. He could take off. So there is something else that is at the heart of this.

Look at the world were right now. Why do people make the decisions they make? why do they do it? Why? Because either something is eating them up, or they’re power mad, or they’re scared. All you can hope for is that an audience will want to go with them, follow them, and get the answers.

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Since McCoy is trying to prove himself as a big man in town, does he know about the other things going on? Does he know about Steve (Christian Cooke) relationship with Eve (Niv Sultan)? Does he know what is going on between Symone (Rose Williams) and Nathan (Benjamin Stender)? Does he even care?

Cooper: Yeah, you feel like he’s a little removed from it all. I think it’s just finally [part of] what he is hiding from. And you can understand why he doesn’t want to shake anything. He does not want to alarm. He doesn’t want to be known even though he’s quite a showman. Not making a fuss or getting too involved in people’s affairs and keeping his cards close to his chest is good for him. But I think he knows exactly what’s going on with everyone and I think he rolls his eyes at the whole thing. I think he rejected it. He thinks everyone is a bit silly, to be completely honest.

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Considering the series has been committed to subverting expectations thus far, is there any chance that Bill and McCoy will actually work together? In Western grammar, this happens a lot, but it feels like the show is leaning in the opposite direction.

Cooper: They have a very topsy-turvy relationship, because they end up really needing each other, but they don’t necessarily find a way to achieve it. They are too damaged and unable to understand what is damaged in them and what help they need. They could actually fix everything, but whether that’s the choice they make or not, I’ll leave that to be seen.

From the perspective of Episode 2, do you have any idea why Steve is hiding the gold?

Cooper: I couldn’t understand – and actually that’s something I really liked [the show]. Steve is the character who seemed so good and seemed to do it just for the good of humanity and what people should stand for. And yet… he’s sitting on it. But again, that’s another story that I find really compelling. I really want to see how it goes and who wins this battle.

Should viewers watch out for that eye at the end of Episode 2 in subsequent episodes?

Cooper: Yeah.


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A Marvel question: will you still answer the call to play Howard Stark? It was a pleasure to hear her voice again in this What if…? episode.

Cooper: I loved and loved playing this role. I hadn’t really realized how much or how important it was or how much I missed it. I really miss playing it. It’s only over time, I guess, that you actually think about “Wow.” It was such a wonderful opportunity” and how much you appreciate it and how much fun you had doing it.

We always have conversations. Marvel is so amazing at re-imagining their worlds, and there’s always talk about how he can come back or some way you’ll see him again. But, yes, I would like to do more.

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